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you know there's explanation for

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Rendlesham forest incident didn't

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involve aliens at all

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it was completely silent it comes right

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over our head it's so classic

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flying-saucer really standing in the

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clearing he turned over to my father and

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held his hand and he looked in his eyes

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and said we're not alone welcome to

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podcast UFO for our live show we're live

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hello and welcome to the show I'm mark

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and Willis your host and thank you for

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your patience if you're listening to the

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podcast we did the show live but I made

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technical boo-boo and somehow did not

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record the last show so a couple days

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late but we're all here and I want to

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thank supporters were supporting the

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show it helps out a lot it's the reason

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we're here and I have a quick Christmas

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drawing and the first one is this was

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done the other night through random.org

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it's a number generator I took all the

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listeners numbers and we put it in a

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random generator and came up with the

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first prize winner actually you get a

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choice of two and it's Stefan B and I'm

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going to contact you by email and that

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is up either the four nights stay at my

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house Stefan you may be overseas so that

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may not work for you I don't know what

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your situation is or you get the Charles

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halt the whole perspective signed book

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either one and the second winner was

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number 42 David B again in an email both

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of you thanks so much for your support

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now listen if neither one of these two

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gentlemen can make it to my place in

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Maine then I will keep drawing until I

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can find someone that will listening to

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the show you can listen every Wednesday

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night at podcast UFO calm at 8:00 to

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10 p.m. Eastern Standard Time it's also

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it also plays in its entirety as a

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podcast on the darknet or digital

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network and that's every Thursday at

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10:00 to midnight now I'm going to do

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something a little different here

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because a lot of people that listen to

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my show also listen to open minds and

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Jason our guest tonight was on open

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minds for a long time with Alejandro

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they had a great chemistry as a duo and

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so I'm gonna have Jason join in as well

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right off the bat so Alejandro and Jason

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how are you guys hi good thank you and

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we have a little practice after the

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other night yeah

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so when you say they can stay at your

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house you do have a bed and breakfast

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right so it's not like yeah you know a

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regular UFO podcast or where you've got

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to kind of brush off the the fast food

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leftovers from the couch to make room

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the futon or the VW you know bus in the

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specific I have the main house I live in

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then there's a guest house and but it's

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people and then and then at my house I

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range you can see for miles and miles

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which is unusual for Maine because Maine

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person will be able to sit in the studio

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get to the live shows to work sounds

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Batman's like a state or something you

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country so you know Maine you can find

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some really good deals I guess that's

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how that worked out Wow yeah but it's a

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gonna have you Jason sit in of course

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for the news and chime in of and

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alejandro what do we have this week what

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do we have well you know what's

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Wednesday today's Friday yesterday

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news in the mainstream press which is of

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course what we put in our daily UFO

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headlines so I just wanted to highlight

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that and tell people they can go check

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that at our website you know we have the

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latest on the front page but if you go

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to articles and the daily UFO headlines

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Jeremy Korbel who's a filmmaker who

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every year he submits and films to the

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UFO Congress Film Festival and he'll be

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doing that again but he's got a great

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interview on Omni so people from Omni

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about Edgar Mitchell because he did some

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stuff with him but some other local

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sightings and things like that in there

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that are kind of cool so it was just

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kind of neat that there was yesterday

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was such a good news day because today

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was not so much but beyond that other

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things going on something that we post

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recently that is kind of cool

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was from Nick Pope so Nick Pope will be

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speaking in Roswell this year and so

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will I actually you know I got to invite

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it's just kind of a funny story Nick

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Pope to rot as well for the first time

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several years ago and back then they did

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a parade they do that now but it's at

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night and adjacent scene it's not

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impressive it's at night and it's

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supposed to be like a light parade but

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some of the floats of which are only 5

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or 6 forget to put really many lights on

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their float and the illumination is

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they look like real UFOs in yeah yeah

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but back in the day they did a real

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parade during the day and the streets

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are lined with people but it was so

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American flag at the time he was still

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you living in the UK you know waving

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that around and it was he said it was

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his first you know kind of American

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parade they don't really have parades

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like that out in the UK so it was just

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this big smile it was such an experience

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but um anyway getting back to what I'm

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supposed to be talking about he wrote

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something that we posted he wrote it

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actually for the Roswell Daily Record

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and essentially what they're trying to

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do is ask people especially locals or

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people who used to live in Roswell or

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were affiliated at with with it at all

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to kind of look through their

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photographs or family photos their their

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trinket boxes in the Attic their their

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chests to try to see if they can find

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anything that pertains to the famous

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alleged crash in 1947 so kind of cool

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they essentially you know some person

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was criticizing that case is so old what

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are we looking at that again and he said

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know let's try something new so they're

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hoping someone will come up with some

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sort of evidence and hopefully it'll be

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better than a whole picture of a

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mummified person and from from look like

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we saw unfortunately not too long to go

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so your old mummified boy or whatever it

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was yeah good times good times

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exactly otherwise also in Roswell news

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we did post recently Roger Marsh been

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posting a lot of triangular UFO

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sightings lately like a ton of them and

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I don't know if it's just he has a big

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interest in that Roger Marsh is the

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MUFON director of communications you

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know and so he's been posting MUFON

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portes one of those from Roswell another

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one from Hollywood more recent one with

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some drawings from Florida or as you put

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it drawings so a lot of really

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interesting triangular sites and as

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we've talked about before you know a lot

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of the triangular UFO sightings seem to

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be kind of closer they seem to be you

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know not too far one of these people

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said 20 feet above the ground

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another said a hundred to 200 I think a

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lot of them are aircraft you know just

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commercial jet where their lights look

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like they're in a triangular formation

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however some of these perhaps not where

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they say they've seen them closer and

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they distinctly see the outline of a

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black you know triangular craft and as

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in one of these drawings the one from

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Florida recently you can see that so

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yeah a lot of triangular UFOs being seen

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yeah and a lot of them like float or

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people say they float there's no no

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sound and all that but you know getting

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back to Roswell a lot of times I think

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that's actually a very good idea what

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they're doing because there could be

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correspondence out there and it doesn't

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have to be just people who live in

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Roswell someone because you know

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situations like say when President

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Abraham Lincoln was assassinated letters

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went out everywhere so a lot of times

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those letters have a lot of value and

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that's the same thing that could have

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happened with Roswell could have been

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people writing you know their relatives

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hey you can't believe what happened here

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none of that stuff is a smoking gun but

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it's it's all all very interesting and

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could solidify you know things that

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happened a little more mm-hmm

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I get the mindset that many share of the

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pooh-poohing the old cases because look

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we tend to have short attention spans

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it's something old we want new things

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we're tired of hearing about Roswell

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over and over and over again with the

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same details that we've had for decades

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when you're dealing with something

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that's mysterious and granted not

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everybody feels that Roswell is

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mysterious some people like the Air

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Force's explanation and and you know as

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the Air Force has told this time and

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time again they feel that Roswell is

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case closed

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what look I mean many of us feel myself

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included that there's still a mystery as

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far as the Roswell case goes and our

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people still holding on to material

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collected or information or other things

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related to this case that could shed new

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light on it possibly but we don't know

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until we look you're dealing with a

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mystery and as long as the mystery is

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there and we don't have complete closure

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or a satisfactory complete explanation I

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think any any effort to dig out more

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information is good I do too and I also

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think that it's it is possible maybe

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someone has a little piece of that metal

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you know that has eluded us for so long

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you know everyone that had kept those

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pieces of little scraps of bendable

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metal that reformed when you held her

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out in your hand if we had just one

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piece of that that could have come from

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there and explored to see what the heck

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it was you know that may have some

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answers to I don't know if that's ever

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going to happen yeah if it could be

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there that's right

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it'll be fun to see what if anything

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they come up with so I certainly wish

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him luck yeah I mean we posted not too

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long ago a story from and it was sky

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ships over cashiers I think that that's

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the name of the site they had

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interviewed a woman who claimed that

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when she was a child her friend you know

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she lived worked on I think it was right

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Patterson I can't remember which Air

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Force Base and she had seen some of this

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material and had described it she seemed

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very credible in that interview that's a

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possibility so those people could still

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have that material you never know I

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guess what might be out there and the

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thing is is that you know especially

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with this one the mystery to your point

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that we don't necessarily have all the

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answers is at first you know they showed

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that

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material from a weather balloon later on

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the Air Force said that was

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disinformation now that was not a debris

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and this is according to the Air Force

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so and then the explanations of why that

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was done to cover up other potential you

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know to cover up the the other balloon

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that was being used for to look at

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listen in on the Russians and if they're

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there nuclear testing right the mogul

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with that

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yeah which which people question whether

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or not that really fits you know but so

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their own kind of hemming and hawing

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around it has created this mystery so it

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continues to exist now the Roswell Daily

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Record says if you do have something you

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can contact them they'll actually have a

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booth at the UFO Congress this year also

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so we'll have the Roswell Daily Record

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they're talking about their event in

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July and though they'll have some of

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their newspapers from when this happened

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in 1947 and so they'll be handing those

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out and other things too do you think

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someone will turn in that stolen UFO

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that fell the flying saucer that fell

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off of the museum well that was

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discovered

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evidence no what happened is it looked

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like they ditched it on the side of the

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road and so it it was more debris debris

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so it was found destroyed on the side of

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the road they probably just chucked it

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out of their car unfortunately yeah or

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float it out yeah yeah yeah other

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cover-up well yeah you got more stuff

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alejandro right that's essentially it I

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think yeah

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well I do want to say to the audience

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out there check out was last Sunday I

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the date I think was the 18th alejandro

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was on coast to coast a great show so

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the listener try to check that out you

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might be able to find that online or

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some of you that listen maybe subscribe

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to coast to coast but I thought you did

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a great job Alejandro was real

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good really interests thank you very

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much yeah it was great to talk to George

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Knapp about that stuff in particular

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because several of those stories having

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to do with like the Clinton campaign or

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with John Podesta and Tom DeLonge he was

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involved with you know I think people

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George Knapp is such an important person

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in this field someone in mainstream

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media who's always tackling this topic

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and you know it's his organization that

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interviewed Hillary or at least asked

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Podesta about UFOs so that was

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interesting and then also you know

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George Knapp has been kind of a

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confidante of Tom DeLong's and all of

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this information about Tom DeLonge

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talking to these Air Force generals and

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things like that is absolutely

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fascinating yeah and I'm sure you'll get

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yeah right yeah I was gonna say I'm sure

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you'll get into that with Jason because

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Jason has interviewed Tom DeLonge and

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worked for him for a period of time so

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right oh well hey thanks so much I'll

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I'll go and have a great Christmas yes

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you too both of you have a great

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Christmas

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Festivus friend happy Festivus for the

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rest of us all right okay my grievances

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later and then we can do the feats of

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strength yep and then we'll have

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burritos Jason and I were planning on

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having a burrito lunch at this time I

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know but we for four went is that the

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word for goaded for goat or goaded that

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burrito lunch in order to to be talking

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with you my friend I think that's very

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buried owes for UFOs man that's yes I'm

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gonna go get a burrito right now you

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should enjoy my friend all right all

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right

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take care talk to you later yeah guys

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all right so Jason again thanks again

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for being willing to come back and

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really enjoy - yeah that's right really

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enjoyed our our talk we have some one of

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the things I forgot to do and I'm really

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lucky that I thought of it it was check

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the forum there's some questions up

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there in the forum but first of all

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for the person who this show is listen

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to all over the globe so for someone

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that doesn't know who Jason McClellan is

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please give them give us your background

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and what you know got you into this

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unusual topic absolutely well I have

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been in sort of inside the UFO world

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since about 2008 or so and I was given

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the unique opportunity to work in the

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field full-time not just doing it for

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for you know all day every day but doing

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it and being being paid to do it so as a

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salaried full-time position I served as

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a basically a journalist and researcher

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fully devoted to UFOs and

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extraterrestrials so was the actually

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the first first official employee and

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helped in the formation of UFO media

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company open minds and kind of helped

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put all that together and create it into

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what it is today and also helped in

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organizing and producing the

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International UFO Congress and helping

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grow that to the OEL largest annual UFO

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conference in the world so we got to do

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a lot of great work at open minds and

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that was a fantastic experience for me

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and did that for more than six years as

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we mentioned before so really went deep

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down the rabbit hole and had to get up

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to speed on everything UFO pretty

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quickly because my knowledge up to that

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point was was little you know like a lot

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of people getting into the field I had a

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casual interest but most of my early

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interest was spawned you know through

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sci-fi I was a big sci-fi fan watched a

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lot of Star Trek Star Wars and other are

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there sci-fi quite regularly and I grew

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up in the middle of the desert it had a

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wonderful view of the night sky went

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camping almost every weekend and just

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you know spent the nights staring up at

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the sky

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thinking about everything that that

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could and is out there and also seeing

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you know strange things moving through

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the sky and and hovering and doing weird

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things that I knew didn't really fit you

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know anything I'd seen or things that as

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I understood the logic or physics or

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things like that so you know I'm a

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curious person person and I enjoy

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exploring mysteries so the mysteries of

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the universe have always fascinated me

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and I enjoy looking for for answers and

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exploring those things so you know I've

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had an interesting career to this point

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really focused on UFOs and

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extraterrestrial life and you know

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although that's not my full-time focus

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anymore it's still something that's very

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important to me and something I stay

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very active in I launched the company

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called rogue planet and with my friends

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and colleagues Maureen Elsberry and Ryan

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Sprague we do quite a few things maybe

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we still post regular UFO headlines UFO

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related articles and things like that

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but we do a fair amount of podcasting we

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started a UFO podcast it's a biweekly

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podcast called UFO mod pod and we do

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that sort of as a roundtable discussion

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and all the way I think people you know

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within the UFO community already will

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find it interesting and you know a good

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show

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we a lot a lot of what we do we tend to

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focus on people outside that that

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already existing UFO community because I

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think there's a big need for that you

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and I have talked about this before and

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we certainly talked about it a couple

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days ago but you know when you talk to

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people about UFOs and extraterrestrials

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it becomes more and more apparent that

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really everybody is interested in these

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topics you know in one way or another

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they have an interest whether it's you

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know just kind of a casual oh that

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sounds kind of neat or my uncle said he

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saw a UFO or something like that you

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know everybody's got some sort of UFO

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story apparently it's fascinating how

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that unfolds when you bring up the topic

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but people are interested in the topic

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so I like to try to present UFOs

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specifically but also actually trust

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your life as a more digestible easy more

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make it more I guess easily accessible

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for people who just have that casual

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interest present them you know

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introductory information bits and pieces

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here little bits you know teasers baby

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steps and get them interested and then

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through that they'll take their own

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initiative to do their own research and

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then start listening to shows like yours

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and shows like open minds UFO radio and

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going to UFO related conferences and you

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know really taking that that next active

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step to gaining more information and

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doing their own exploration it's kind of

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weird you know I I started this show

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when I had basically very little

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knowledge and very looked hardly at all

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into the topic only for the reason that

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I had a sighting and the sighting

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changed you know everything basically

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and I was on someone else's show wasn't

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even about UFOs or anything was actually

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a comedian out in LA had a podcast I was

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on that and brought up the sighting he

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teased me about it and then a few weeks

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later he said boy you're the show has

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gotten a lot of hits and and he says and

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it's the word it's the topic of UFOs and

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that's actually what spawned me starting

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this show you know and then I just

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started looking heavily into the topic

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that was back and I think it was just

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2011 so not too long that's fantastic

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and you know it's a great way to do it I

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mean I know that in my pursuits and the

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things that that I do publicly you know

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whether it's posting UFO related

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articles or UFO headlines or podcasts

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about UFOs you know a big part of that

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not is not only to produce content and

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get information out to people so they

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can you know digest it and do their own

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research and make up their own minds

544
00:24:19,860 --> 00:24:17,980
about these things but it's also for me

545
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:19,870
it's a you know a selfish thing it's

546
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:22,480
it's my way of staying current with

547
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:25,570
information my way of you know learning

548
00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:27,370
the new things that are out there and

549
00:24:32,670 --> 00:24:30,520
way of talking and having these

550
00:24:34,410 --> 00:24:32,680
discussions with people who are doing

551
00:24:36,420 --> 00:24:34,420
more research and our you know

552
00:24:39,210 --> 00:24:36,430
personally involved in these fields

553
00:24:42,750 --> 00:24:39,220
that's my way of learning more and you

554
00:24:44,820 --> 00:24:42,760
know contributing in this exploration as

555
00:24:47,580 --> 00:24:44,830
we go I mean that's my thing always try

556
00:24:50,130 --> 00:24:47,590
to keep learning because you know that's

557
00:24:51,420 --> 00:24:50,140
that's how that's really the best way I

558
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,430
think to do it because I don't know I

559
00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:53,200
certainly not the time to go and

560
00:24:57,210 --> 00:24:54,670
investigate sightings and talk to people

561
00:24:59,040 --> 00:24:57,220
who claim to have you know sightings or

562
00:25:00,540 --> 00:24:59,050
encounters or things like that so you

563
00:25:02,910 --> 00:25:00,550
know just having the dialogue with

564
00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:02,920
people and and you know that's the best

565
00:25:09,390 --> 00:25:05,350
way I think to keep yourself current

566
00:25:11,790 --> 00:25:09,400
with the the latest research and to keep

567
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,800
your mind kind of spinning and putting

568
00:25:14,190 --> 00:25:13,600
things together as you're piecing the

569
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:14,200
puzzle together

570
00:25:18,570 --> 00:25:16,960
I guess that's that's kind of what I did

571
00:25:21,150 --> 00:25:18,580
and have been doing it's like an

572
00:25:23,340 --> 00:25:21,160
immersion into the time that's like with

573
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,350
them with people that really have

574
00:25:27,330 --> 00:25:25,600
explored it deeply and yeah I find it

575
00:25:31,260 --> 00:25:27,340
fascinating and love love doing this

576
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:31,270
open minds how did you find them or how

577
00:25:37,530 --> 00:25:32,520
did they find you

578
00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:37,540
so I was previously working doing

579
00:25:42,510 --> 00:25:39,910
internet marketing for another company

580
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:42,520
and the owner of that company expressed

581
00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:45,730
to me his interest and you know strong

582
00:25:49,140 --> 00:25:47,470
interest in UFOs and extraterrestrials

583
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:49,150
and told me that he thought about

584
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:51,250
starting a magazine and a company

585
00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:53,410
focused solely on UFOs and

586
00:25:57,270 --> 00:25:55,480
extraterrestrials so of course that

587
00:26:00,270 --> 00:25:57,280
piqued my interest and he knew my

588
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:00,280
background in video production and and

589
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,050
just media production in general and

590
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:04,240
writing and things like that so we

591
00:26:09,150 --> 00:26:06,130
started talking and you know over the

592
00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:09,160
course of a year kind of put the pieces

593
00:26:15,210 --> 00:26:11,980
all together everything lined up and

594
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:15,220
eventually I launched a UFO company

595
00:26:19,530 --> 00:26:16,980
which is open minds and so I

596
00:26:23,549 --> 00:26:19,540
transitioned over from one company to

597
00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:23,559
the other Wow great place right time yes

598
00:26:28,980 --> 00:26:25,929
one of those things so it was it was

599
00:26:31,470 --> 00:26:28,990
destiny right now we're going to be

600
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:31,480
talking about your book right away when

601
00:26:37,410 --> 00:26:34,090
I saw your book title I had to laugh

602
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:37,420
because it the the title you see is only

603
00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:40,330
weirdo see UFOs and you know I mean

604
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,230
that's that

605
00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:43,120
kind of like the stigma you hear a lot

606
00:26:49,049 --> 00:26:45,790
but if we read the you know you continue

607
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:49,059
on in the smaller print of the of the

608
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:51,850
title and introduction to the public's

609
00:26:58,380 --> 00:26:55,840
misconception of Ariel of a unidentified

610
00:27:01,380 --> 00:26:58,390
aerial phenomena and extraterrestrial

611
00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:01,390
life that's the total cover it's a great

612
00:27:07,770 --> 00:27:04,950
book I've been reading it on Kindle and

613
00:27:12,060 --> 00:27:07,780
the graphic on the front you said was

614
00:27:15,419 --> 00:27:12,070
Caleb's who was it that did the graphic

615
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:15,429
yeah yeah it's Caleb hangs kissing

616
00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:20,080
amazing artist and he is a musician an

617
00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:22,540
artist a multi-talented very creative

618
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:25,150
person I love him like a brother and

619
00:27:28,860 --> 00:27:26,770
we've done a lot of things together and

620
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:28,870
he was my my first choice when I decided

621
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:31,690
to do a book I knew that I needed him to

622
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:34,240
to do the cover and I basically

623
00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:36,570
presented him with a very easy task

624
00:27:41,730 --> 00:27:38,860
perhaps not so easy but a very easy

625
00:27:43,530 --> 00:27:41,740
description going with that that first

626
00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:43,540
part the main title of the book only

627
00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:47,350
weirdo see UFOs I wanted to have our

628
00:27:53,250 --> 00:27:49,750
that represented that public

629
00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:53,260
misconception that only weirdos the UFO

630
00:27:57,090 --> 00:27:55,480
so I needed a weirdo on there some sort

631
00:27:58,830 --> 00:27:57,100
of what I told him I said some sort of

632
00:28:00,900 --> 00:27:58,840
heck or a country bumpkin you know that

633
00:28:03,210 --> 00:28:00,910
the stereotype of somebody that sees a

634
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:03,220
UFO so I think he captured that

635
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:08,169
wonderfully and Caleb I believe has

636
00:28:12,330 --> 00:28:10,690
provided the the open and closed music

637
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:12,340
for open minds UFO radio so people have

638
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:14,830
probably heard his music there

639
00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:17,440
he's also the brother of Micah Hanks

640
00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:21,160
Micah Hanks is an author has some UFO

641
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:22,990
books and and does the the graylien

642
00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:25,210
report so covers a lot of UFO and

643
00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:27,700
paranormal stuff there too so and I

644
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:28,750
don't know if he still has but Caleb

645
00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:31,090
used to appear on that show every once

646
00:28:36,299 --> 00:28:34,660
in a while - uh-huh now I think in art

647
00:28:39,270 --> 00:28:36,309
the show we did before I mentioned that

648
00:28:41,490 --> 00:28:39,280
I thought I heard Stephen Hawking say

649
00:28:44,490 --> 00:28:41,500
something along that life of that line

650
00:28:47,070 --> 00:28:44,500
like only weirdo see UFO so I quickly

651
00:28:48,690 --> 00:28:47,080
now looking on Google and there are a

652
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:48,700
lot of quotes that he had I can't find

653
00:28:54,570 --> 00:28:51,760
that particular one but basically is

654
00:29:02,190 --> 00:28:58,590
most of his quotes are of like silliness

655
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:02,200
like of course I'm sure everyone out

656
00:29:06,419 --> 00:29:04,570
there who's ever looked into some of the

657
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:06,429
things that Stephen Hawking has said

658
00:29:10,529 --> 00:29:09,190
about extraterrestrial life one of those

659
00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:10,539
things was saying that we shouldn't be

660
00:29:15,509 --> 00:29:13,929
sending out signals because you never

661
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:15,519
know who's gonna respond you know

662
00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:20,850
there's the fear thing there but anyway

663
00:29:26,580 --> 00:29:23,350
someone had said also that they thought

664
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:26,590
your little graphic looked like what is

665
00:29:30,990 --> 00:29:27,960
it Randy Quaid

666
00:29:36,090 --> 00:29:31,000
I'm Randy Quaid yeah yeah pretty funny

667
00:29:37,529 --> 00:29:36,100
up on the forum there is some questions

668
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:37,539
as a bunch of them actually and I'm

669
00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:41,049
gonna ask you this one as a as you are a

670
00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:43,000
podcaster trying to promote the subject

671
00:29:48,570 --> 00:29:45,100
of ufology targeting a younger audience

672
00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:48,580
via UFO mod pod do you think there is a

673
00:29:52,259 --> 00:29:50,169
possibility that there will be a lack of

674
00:29:54,779 --> 00:29:52,269
younger researchers coming through to

675
00:29:57,539 --> 00:29:54,789
carry on the work and investigation of

676
00:30:00,269 --> 00:29:57,549
the more established senior researchers

677
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,279
good question that's a great question I

678
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:02,080
like that a lot I'm glad somebody asked

679
00:30:07,009 --> 00:30:04,809
it you know we touched on this and I

680
00:30:12,539 --> 00:30:07,019
will say that based on my experience

681
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:12,549
over the past several years going to UFO

682
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:16,210
and UFO related conferences there is an

683
00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:20,529
increase in younger attendance and I

684
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,580
don't know precisely what to credit that

685
00:30:29,399 --> 00:30:26,799
to but I know the end like we said the

686
00:30:31,379 --> 00:30:29,409
interest is there and the challenge is

687
00:30:32,850 --> 00:30:31,389
always how to reach those people how to

688
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:32,860
get them interested how to get them to

689
00:30:37,980 --> 00:30:34,630
take that next step and come out to UFO

690
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:37,990
conference which isn't you know as easy

691
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:39,730
of a cell as like a comic-con or

692
00:30:42,899 --> 00:30:40,960
something like that that you know

693
00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:42,909
typically would appeal to a younger

694
00:30:48,659 --> 00:30:45,070
person or somebody looking for a fun

695
00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:48,669
event because although I enjoy UFO

696
00:30:53,730 --> 00:30:50,590
conferences there I don't know if you

697
00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:53,740
could necessarily label them as fun all

698
00:30:58,409 --> 00:30:56,409
the time you know I mean they're fun to

699
00:31:00,450 --> 00:30:58,419
me but they're not like your typical

700
00:31:03,330 --> 00:31:00,460
entertaining event you know they're

701
00:31:05,159 --> 00:31:03,340
their academic and and you know the fun

702
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,169
for me of course and and we talked about

703
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:06,880
this too we share this it's like a

704
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:08,200
family reunion because

705
00:31:10,919 --> 00:31:09,610
you know just getting together with

706
00:31:12,269 --> 00:31:10,929
fellow researchers and people that

707
00:31:14,850 --> 00:31:12,279
you've known over the years and gotten

708
00:31:17,460 --> 00:31:14,860
to know through this field it's a good

709
00:31:20,460 --> 00:31:17,470
time to get together and and just by

710
00:31:22,889 --> 00:31:20,470
differing different views or views they

711
00:31:25,169 --> 00:31:22,899
don't don't always align you still get

712
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:25,179
together with that common interest and

713
00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:27,730
it's good to have the the dialogue that

714
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:30,940
happens at those events so not always

715
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:34,240
that the most conducive places for or

716
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:36,490
appealing for people outside of the

717
00:31:41,850 --> 00:31:39,519
field but despite all of that you still

718
00:31:45,180 --> 00:31:41,860
see an increase in younger people I do

719
00:31:47,310 --> 00:31:45,190
think the interest is there that's why I

720
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,320
like to present things on a different

721
00:31:51,450 --> 00:31:49,120
level something that's outside the

722
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:51,460
typical UFO field or the UFO community

723
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:54,159
to try to reach those people I don't

724
00:31:59,340 --> 00:31:55,630
think there's going to be a shortage of

725
00:32:02,759 --> 00:31:59,350
researchers I think we will pretty

726
00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:02,769
quickly see a lot of younger people

727
00:32:09,539 --> 00:32:06,700
taking the initiative to actively

728
00:32:13,139 --> 00:32:09,549
research to contribute things you know

729
00:32:16,019 --> 00:32:13,149
whether that's new podcasts or books or

730
00:32:17,879 --> 00:32:16,029
even new conferences you know we see

731
00:32:21,149 --> 00:32:17,889
younger and younger people and and fresh

732
00:32:22,769 --> 00:32:21,159
faces appearing at conferences giving

733
00:32:27,409 --> 00:32:22,779
lectures and that's that's always a good

734
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:27,419
thing but I'd interest isn't going away

735
00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:30,490
there are you know it's a personality

736
00:32:34,919 --> 00:32:32,919
trait too I think people are different

737
00:32:37,649 --> 00:32:34,929
but they're it's a certain certain

738
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:37,659
mentality a person who wants to be

739
00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:41,289
actively involved to take the initiative

740
00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:44,830
to produce something that contributes to

741
00:32:51,389 --> 00:32:48,309
to research and you know furthering the

742
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:51,399
field so you know you have to wait for

743
00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:53,049
those people to emerge but they are

744
00:32:59,250 --> 00:32:56,830
emerging we are seeing that and I think

745
00:33:01,620 --> 00:32:59,260
we'll see a lot more so I'm not I'm not

746
00:33:05,180 --> 00:33:01,630
worried about ecology dying off at all

747
00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:05,190
with with as our older researchers go

748
00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:08,409
I'm you know there's there's big panic

749
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:09,880
among some people in the UFO research

750
00:33:15,389 --> 00:33:13,120
field about the future of ufology and

751
00:33:18,090 --> 00:33:15,399
and all the troubles and faces and you

752
00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:18,100
know ufology is in danger I don't agree

753
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,080
with that so

754
00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:21,360
would be just fine the only way I think

755
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:25,140
that endanger my own personal opinion is

756
00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:29,010
just through the technology of hoaxing

757
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:32,390
is going to be so difficult to

758
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:36,360
differentiate eventually most likely

759
00:33:42,730 --> 00:33:39,809
that that's that could you know that

760
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:42,740
could really change things as far as

761
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,840
yeah absolutely that's certainly a

762
00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:48,240
hurdle that you know exists and has

763
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:49,740
existed for quite a long time it's

764
00:33:52,909 --> 00:33:51,570
certainly going to get worse but you

765
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:52,919
know every field of study has its

766
00:33:57,799 --> 00:33:54,510
Turtles and it has its challenges but

767
00:34:03,320 --> 00:33:57,809
you know if we as researchers and people

768
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:03,330
in this field believe that UFOs are in

769
00:34:10,369 --> 00:34:08,399
fact real which we know we know that you

770
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:10,379
know there are on identified aerial

771
00:34:16,329 --> 00:34:12,419
objects flying around the world every

772
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:16,339
day we know that that exists we know

773
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:18,510
firmly in our hearts that that's

774
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:20,220
something that merits serious scientific

775
00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:23,310
study then it should be fine to stand on

776
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,750
its own it's not something that we

777
00:34:29,869 --> 00:34:27,119
should worry that oh no something bad

778
00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:29,879
was said about UFOs or oh no the news

779
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:31,830
covered a story about one person who

780
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,200
hoax something or oh no the news covered

781
00:34:38,450 --> 00:34:36,720
some lunatic who raised about some

782
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:38,460
ridiculous story now everybody's going

783
00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:40,530
to think that UFOs are you know just

784
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:42,540
this loony thing that only weirdoes see

785
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:45,839
UFOs you you follow Jesus and danger oh

786
00:34:50,060 --> 00:34:47,490
no we've got it we've got to stop this

787
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:50,070
you know it's that panic mentality or

788
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:51,450
this this thing that we've got to treat

789
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:53,490
you followed you like you know an

790
00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:55,530
injured animal or something that you

791
00:35:00,140 --> 00:34:58,440
know is so delicate and frail that we

792
00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:00,150
have to worry about every bad thing

793
00:35:04,130 --> 00:35:02,460
that's said about it III think that

794
00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:04,140
mentality is more damaging to you

795
00:35:08,180 --> 00:35:06,359
apology than any of that stuff that

796
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:08,190
people like that are worried about yeah

797
00:35:13,099 --> 00:35:10,980
again if we think if we genuinely think

798
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:13,109
that you know the evidence is there and

799
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:15,180
that it's something that's real and

800
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:17,490
deserved study then it can stand on its

801
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:20,609
own science other scientific fields are

802
00:35:23,390 --> 00:35:21,300
no different

803
00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:23,400
you know they scientists put out studies

804
00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:25,740
all the time and they're immediately met

805
00:35:30,140 --> 00:35:27,960
with ridicule from their peers and

806
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:30,150
people who say oh yeah that's ridiculous

807
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:31,380
no you don't know what you're talking

808
00:35:34,859 --> 00:35:32,170
about the

809
00:35:36,299 --> 00:35:34,869
study has no merit you know they deal

810
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:36,309
with that all the time I'm not saying

811
00:35:39,299 --> 00:35:38,170
that it's on the same level as UFOs you

812
00:35:41,069 --> 00:35:39,309
know that's that's always going to be an

813
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:41,079
uphill battle anything dealing with ufos

814
00:35:46,049 --> 00:35:43,690
or extraterrestrial life and the

815
00:35:48,809 --> 00:35:46,059
ridicule factor there is certainly quite

816
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:48,819
strong don't need to debate that at all

817
00:35:55,410 --> 00:35:52,650
but other scientific fields deal with

818
00:35:59,339 --> 00:35:55,420
some of the same challenges that the

819
00:36:01,710 --> 00:35:59,349
study of UFOs do so I think if we spent

820
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:01,720
less time worrying about you know people

821
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:04,480
saying bad things about UFOs or some

822
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:07,930
some bad eggs when it comes to spreading

823
00:36:13,470 --> 00:36:10,510
false information or people trying to

824
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,480
make names for themselves we do a lot

825
00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:15,040
better and be able to focus on the more

826
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:16,990
important things of solving some of the

827
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:19,020
questions we have yeah unfortunately

828
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:22,690
someone from the outside when they get

829
00:36:27,870 --> 00:36:24,130
involved with something like that that

830
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:27,880
can burn some bridges but um you know it

831
00:36:31,980 --> 00:36:29,890
just depends on how long they look into

832
00:36:33,299 --> 00:36:31,990
the topic here's the question up here

833
00:36:36,030 --> 00:36:33,309
that sort of falls along what we're

834
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:36,040
talking about this again comes from the

835
00:36:40,650 --> 00:36:38,710
forum although there are plenty of

836
00:36:42,569 --> 00:36:40,660
websites and YouTube channels connected

837
00:36:45,299 --> 00:36:42,579
with ufology that are full of nothing

838
00:36:48,569 --> 00:36:45,309
but hoax information do you think the

839
00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:48,579
recent push to silence fake news might

840
00:36:52,530 --> 00:36:50,740
be used also to squelch those who follow

841
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:52,540
Jesus i'ts that contain good research

842
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:55,210
and valuable factual information does

843
00:37:00,329 --> 00:36:56,910
this worry you

844
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:00,339
I'm not worried and you know here's why

845
00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:03,730
I mean I think again with just being in

846
00:37:09,390 --> 00:37:07,150
the age we are currently in just the

847
00:37:13,170 --> 00:37:09,400
saturation of media so much of

848
00:37:15,569 --> 00:37:13,180
absolutely everything there's no

849
00:37:18,359 --> 00:37:15,579
escaping fake news you know that's

850
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:18,369
always going to be there and no matter

851
00:37:21,870 --> 00:37:21,520
what efforts happen you can't get rid of

852
00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:21,880
it

853
00:37:27,539 --> 00:37:25,660
or you know other things that are

854
00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:27,549
well-intentioned or you know

855
00:37:31,799 --> 00:37:30,190
anti-bullying campaigns like they're

856
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:31,809
well-intentioned and it that you know

857
00:37:35,940 --> 00:37:34,480
they're they're a good idea but you're

858
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:35,950
not going to be able to get rid of it

859
00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:38,170
it's always going to be there and some

860
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:42,670
someplace or another so really as I

861
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:45,540
think should be the case the

862
00:37:49,580 --> 00:37:47,310
everything comes back on the shoulders

863
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:49,590
of the individual you know we have to

864
00:37:55,820 --> 00:37:53,490
take responsibility in going further

865
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:55,830
than just reading a headline or even

866
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:57,930
reading the article and accepting it at

867
00:38:01,280 --> 00:37:58,650
face value

868
00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:01,290
you know you think it's important no

869
00:38:06,220 --> 00:38:03,180
matter if you're reading about UFOs or

870
00:38:09,830 --> 00:38:06,230
reading about politics or reading about

871
00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:09,840
you know a new car coming out yes it's

872
00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:11,880
great that there's somebody out there

873
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:13,500
who wrote an article about it and

874
00:38:18,859 --> 00:38:15,930
perhaps for some mainstream media outlet

875
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:18,869
that's great so I think the the source

876
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:21,090
of the information is important and it's

877
00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:23,490
important to look at that article and

878
00:38:28,060 --> 00:38:25,830
who the journalist is citing to where

879
00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:28,070
did that information come from and then

880
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:30,780
perhaps take it further and look at that

881
00:38:34,580 --> 00:38:33,060
source and see if they did in fact say

882
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:34,590
what the journalist is quoting them as

883
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:35,970
saying you know digging a little deeper

884
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:38,010
yes it's time-consuming it takes more

885
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:39,330
time but when you're dealing with things

886
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:41,460
especially things that are as big as

887
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:43,530
UFOs and extraterrestrials dig a little

888
00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:45,060
deeper take some time to do the research

889
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:46,680
find out where the information is coming

890
00:38:50,810 --> 00:38:48,930
from and then you can make up your your

891
00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:50,820
opinion based on it and again a lot of

892
00:38:57,740 --> 00:38:53,400
this is in fact opinion based it's not

893
00:38:59,450 --> 00:38:57,750
concrete fact not you know 100%

894
00:39:00,800 --> 00:38:59,460
conclusive evidence a lot of what we're

895
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:00,810
dealing with is stuff that is

896
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:03,570
contributing evidence something that you

897
00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:05,850
know can support a claim and that's what

898
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:07,950
it is and it can support your existing

899
00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:10,320
belief what you know if you are being

900
00:39:16,940 --> 00:39:13,350
objective and keeping it open mind as we

901
00:39:18,859 --> 00:39:16,950
explore anything mysterious you know we

902
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:18,869
have to be able to be flexible and

903
00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:21,510
change you know the conclusions we've

904
00:39:26,060 --> 00:39:23,700
reached on certain things with our our

905
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:26,070
years of looking at these the weirdness

906
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:29,490
that UFOs can bring I certainly know

907
00:39:34,099 --> 00:39:31,260
that you know I think with certain

908
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:34,109
aspects of things related to UFOs I've

909
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:35,820
made my mind up on how I feel about

910
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:38,490
certain things but then I come across

911
00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:40,619
something new and it you know I have to

912
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:44,100
be flexible to alter that established

913
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:45,210
belief that I've created for myself

914
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:48,900
right right people do have short

915
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:51,540
attention spans today only for the

916
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,310
reason that there's so much information

917
00:39:58,220 --> 00:39:55,920
coming in every which direction social

918
00:39:59,450 --> 00:39:58,230
media you know YouTube back to YouTube

919
00:40:02,029 --> 00:39:59,460
all that and

920
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:02,039
and that even goes into the title the

921
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,770
title of your book you mentioned to me

922
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,200
that a few people just saw only weirdos

923
00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:09,119
see UFOs and they didn't read the rest

924
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,359
of the title and and we're upset that

925
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:14,400
was enough that was enough and they were

926
00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:18,720
done well I'm not reading that book I

927
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:21,960
used to be a fan of yours but now I have

928
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:25,529
to change my mind ya know that stuff

929
00:40:29,299 --> 00:40:26,940
makes me laugh and you know you just

930
00:40:32,029 --> 00:40:29,309
have to kind of quietly remind them or

931
00:40:35,329 --> 00:40:32,039
ask yeah thanks but did you happen to

932
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,339
read the rest of the title yeah and you

933
00:40:39,769 --> 00:40:37,200
know one person even responded no and I

934
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:39,779
don't care - thank you yeah okay well

935
00:40:46,579 --> 00:40:42,450
thanks well Peggy who runs my Facebook

936
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:46,589
page did an experiment where she had a

937
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:51,119
picture that said one thing and if you

938
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,380
cooked on it went to a whole different

939
00:40:56,029 --> 00:40:54,000
other thing and all these people were

940
00:40:57,620 --> 00:40:56,039
just commented there was like a hundred

941
00:40:59,809 --> 00:40:57,630
comments on the picture and over he

942
00:41:02,720 --> 00:40:59,819
looked at the link it was my little

943
00:41:06,609 --> 00:41:02,730
different story so yes short attention

944
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:06,619
spans now I want to talk to you about

945
00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:09,839
you are one of the only few people that

946
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,180
I've ever spoke to that actually saw the

947
00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:14,400
Phoenix lights and I know you were like

948
00:41:21,289 --> 00:41:15,660
17 years old

949
00:41:22,819 --> 00:41:21,299
yeah and it didn't it didn't uproot your

950
00:41:26,829 --> 00:41:22,829
life or anything like that you saw this

951
00:41:30,859 --> 00:41:26,839
at quite a distance right so I mean

952
00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:30,869
again I think with sightings I can't

953
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,140
speak for other people because again

954
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:36,000
we're we're individuals we all have

955
00:41:38,839 --> 00:41:37,500
different strengths and weaknesses and

956
00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:38,849
you know everybody's a different person

957
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:44,150
I know for myself I've never boasted a

958
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:47,730
impeccable memory so you know when you

959
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:50,700
hear about UFO sightings and people

960
00:41:57,319 --> 00:41:52,710
witnesses recalling things that happened

961
00:41:59,150 --> 00:41:57,329
years ago you know just a few years ago

962
00:42:01,210 --> 00:41:59,160
let alone 1947 or something like that

963
00:42:04,450 --> 00:42:01,220
with new witnesses coming forward

964
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,460
different a different story there but

965
00:42:08,990 --> 00:42:06,960
you know I know thinking about something

966
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:09,000
that happened all the way back in 1997

967
00:42:13,309 --> 00:42:11,910
I'm certainly not going to fool myself

968
00:42:14,989 --> 00:42:13,319
or anybody else and

969
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:14,999
try to pretend that I remember things

970
00:42:20,809 --> 00:42:17,369
exactly as they happened but I do know

971
00:42:23,089 --> 00:42:20,819
that they seemed the the lights five to

972
00:42:25,279 --> 00:42:23,099
seven lights again I won't pin to an

973
00:42:27,859 --> 00:42:25,289
exact number because I know that I don't

974
00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:27,869
remember exactly whether it was five or

975
00:42:31,549 --> 00:42:29,670
seven lights that I saw but they were

976
00:42:35,479 --> 00:42:31,559
they were pretty much directly over our

977
00:42:37,279 --> 00:42:35,489
property and I can't estimate how high

978
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:37,289
they were they didn't seem to be that

979
00:42:43,279 --> 00:42:40,049
high but you know they were certainly at

980
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:43,289
some altitude and just these bright

981
00:42:47,989 --> 00:42:44,910
stationary lights just hovering there

982
00:42:50,089 --> 00:42:47,999
and again I don't remember exactly how

983
00:42:51,739 --> 00:42:50,099
long but I do know that I observed them

984
00:42:53,569 --> 00:42:51,749
for what seemed like a very long time

985
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:53,579
and I'm going to say somewhere between

986
00:42:59,029 --> 00:42:57,660
30 and 45 minutes yeah being a 17 year

987
00:43:01,609 --> 00:42:59,039
old kid you know I thought it was

988
00:43:03,380 --> 00:43:01,619
awesome certainly watched it and

989
00:43:06,289 --> 00:43:03,390
scratched my head for a long time and

990
00:43:08,809 --> 00:43:06,299
wanted to know what it was but after a

991
00:43:11,989 --> 00:43:08,819
while kind of got bored of just staring

992
00:43:13,459 --> 00:43:11,999
guy went back inside watch TV saw that

993
00:43:14,569 --> 00:43:13,469
they were talking about it on the news

994
00:43:16,189 --> 00:43:14,579
and I thought oh that's cool that's what

995
00:43:17,449 --> 00:43:16,199
I was just looking at yeah that's how my

996
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:17,459
way back up high they weren't there

997
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:21,089
anymore so that's the first person that

998
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:24,569
has said on this show is that they got

999
00:43:28,549 --> 00:43:26,130
bored with watching a UFO and winning

1000
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:28,559
watch TV I think if the second one who

1001
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:31,680
said that funny thing to say now you

1002
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:35,249
know but it does happen you know we've

1003
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:37,650
talked about UFO just like sky watching

1004
00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:39,930
before and watching for UFOs and it's

1005
00:43:44,059 --> 00:43:42,119
definitely something that takes a lot of

1006
00:43:45,380 --> 00:43:44,069
patience if you have the patience you'll

1007
00:43:47,209 --> 00:43:45,390
most likely see something because

1008
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:47,219
there's a lot of stuff out there and

1009
00:43:51,709 --> 00:43:49,380
both the day and the night anywhere in

1010
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:51,719
the world you want to be if you dedicate

1011
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:53,880
the time you can probably see a UFO but

1012
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:56,400
it's not for somebody with short

1013
00:44:00,439 --> 00:43:57,930
attention span that's for sure

1014
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:00,449
that's right yeah and out there in the

1015
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:03,420
desert you have when you get away from

1016
00:44:08,299 --> 00:44:06,119
the light pollution you can see some

1017
00:44:10,699 --> 00:44:08,309
stars I mean you thought yeah big

1018
00:44:12,949 --> 00:44:10,709
wide-open sky it's beautiful yeah where

1019
00:44:14,989 --> 00:44:12,959
I grew up it was away from absolutely

1020
00:44:16,339 --> 00:44:14,999
everything and you know it was one of

1021
00:44:18,859 --> 00:44:16,349
the reasons I love camping so much

1022
00:44:20,420 --> 00:44:18,869
because you could I mean the you could

1023
00:44:21,979 --> 00:44:20,430
see so much of the sky that you know you

1024
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:21,989
could actually see the Milky Way and you

1025
00:44:25,219 --> 00:44:23,609
could see just you know millions and

1026
00:44:26,910 --> 00:44:25,229
millions and millions of stars so

1027
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:26,920
absolutely incredible

1028
00:44:32,730 --> 00:44:29,950
you so yeah had a really good view and

1029
00:44:34,980 --> 00:44:32,740
also where where we were had a really

1030
00:44:37,230 --> 00:44:34,990
good view of out toward the Barry

1031
00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:37,240
Goldwater range where a-10s routinely

1032
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:40,420
dropped flares so I saw flares military

1033
00:44:45,780 --> 00:44:42,970
flares dropped all the time so it was

1034
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:45,790
quite familiar with military flares so

1035
00:44:50,130 --> 00:44:47,530
you know I can confidently say what I

1036
00:44:52,980 --> 00:44:50,140
saw was not military flares right right

1037
00:44:55,859 --> 00:44:52,990
and that's that's important because you

1038
00:44:58,260 --> 00:44:55,869
know there is some actual filming that

1039
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:58,270
you see when you look into the Phoenix

1040
00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:01,599
lights that were actually flares or that

1041
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:04,390
went were launched later on that night

1042
00:45:10,859 --> 00:45:07,450
whether it was to throw people off or or

1043
00:45:14,339 --> 00:45:10,869
not but now the aftermath of that what

1044
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:14,349
was that like I mean you must have known

1045
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:17,220
that there was there was a lot of

1046
00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:21,280
hassling going on between we know Fife

1047
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:22,900
Symington but I mean there was they were

1048
00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:25,180
getting calls everyone was calling in

1049
00:45:29,549 --> 00:45:28,150
about it for I think days afterwards and

1050
00:45:31,289 --> 00:45:29,559
it was probably well I mean yeah it

1051
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:31,299
worked quite a while right yeah as we

1052
00:45:35,609 --> 00:45:32,950
know I mean they did a good job at the

1053
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,619
time of trying to downplay it you know a

1054
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:37,359
time you couldn't spoken about that many

1055
00:45:42,780 --> 00:45:41,200
times now but yeah I mean they they did

1056
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:42,790
a good job and you know the local media

1057
00:45:47,730 --> 00:45:44,890
did a good job of you know sort of stand

1058
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,740
curious about it but like all things you

1059
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,359
know I mean our attention spans were

1060
00:45:53,130 --> 00:45:51,760
slightly longer back then but you know

1061
00:45:54,839 --> 00:45:53,140
there was there was less news flooding

1062
00:45:56,250 --> 00:45:54,849
in all the time so that story kind of

1063
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,260
stayed fresh for a little bit but it

1064
00:46:00,059 --> 00:45:58,480
wasn't that big of a deal you know I

1065
00:46:02,579 --> 00:46:00,069
remember seeing it on the on the front

1066
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:02,589
page of the paper and stuff but yeah I

1067
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:04,329
mean people were still curious about it

1068
00:46:10,109 --> 00:46:07,770
but you know I don't recall it being

1069
00:46:12,260 --> 00:46:10,119
something that the public was really all

1070
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:12,270
that interested in they were curious but

1071
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:14,890
you know aside from the thousands of

1072
00:46:20,490 --> 00:46:18,040
people who did call in to Symington --zz

1073
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:20,500
office and the city council looking for

1074
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:23,200
answers you know those things kind of go

1075
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:23,680
away

1076
00:46:30,569 --> 00:46:27,760
right right someone wanted to know in

1077
00:46:32,789 --> 00:46:30,579
the forum as well as what was your

1078
00:46:38,380 --> 00:46:32,799
favorite UFO case that you've reported

1079
00:46:41,860 --> 00:46:38,390
on as a journalist well let's see

1080
00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:41,870
that's a good one and you know this one

1081
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:45,980
doesn't seem that exciting but there was

1082
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:51,050
a period of time trying to remember the

1083
00:46:59,620 --> 00:46:55,490
years now I want to say 2011 but I could

1084
00:47:04,540 --> 00:46:59,630
be wrong but there was this span of time

1085
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:04,550
where hundreds of UFOs were seen on the

1086
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:08,000
China Indian border and these lights

1087
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:10,810
were reported and investigated by the

1088
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:15,970
indo-tibetan police force the military

1089
00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:19,910
chief astronomers there and this was an

1090
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:22,520
ongoing thing you know you're talking

1091
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:24,560
about police officers military personnel

1092
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:27,290
seeing these things and astronomy

1093
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:29,420
experts commenting on them and people

1094
00:47:32,380 --> 00:47:30,770
thought you know that maybe they're

1095
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,390
their Chinese lanterns but these things

1096
00:47:36,430 --> 00:47:34,400
would stay in the air I don't remember

1097
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:36,440
the specifics it's it's certainly in in

1098
00:47:42,130 --> 00:47:39,950
my book but they would stay in the air

1099
00:47:44,650 --> 00:47:42,140
for you know a half hour so traversing

1100
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,660
the sky and these people went on alert

1101
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:46,400
they thought that they were under attack

1102
00:47:52,510 --> 00:47:49,760
they had confirmation or multiple

1103
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:52,520
statements from people working at these

1104
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:54,560
observatories saying that you know we've

1105
00:48:02,020 --> 00:47:58,130
we've dismissed any possible celestial

1106
00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:02,030
bodies or anything like that so these

1107
00:48:08,380 --> 00:48:05,390
experts the military the police they

1108
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:08,390
were they were completely baffled after

1109
00:48:14,530 --> 00:48:10,250
launching investigation into this trying

1110
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,540
to figure out what they were and you

1111
00:48:17,830 --> 00:48:16,400
know I just think that that case was

1112
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,840
really fascinating because there was no

1113
00:48:22,510 --> 00:48:19,760
conclusion and watching the media react

1114
00:48:27,310 --> 00:48:22,520
to that case as well because there was

1115
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:27,320
one one media report from one media

1116
00:48:32,380 --> 00:48:31,130
outlet that said that they concluded

1117
00:48:35,050 --> 00:48:32,390
that it was Chinese lanterns or

1118
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:35,060
something but then there was another

1119
00:48:39,340 --> 00:48:37,250
report and I couldn't find any

1120
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:39,350
confirmation of that by the way but then

1121
00:48:44,770 --> 00:48:40,730
there was another report that came out

1122
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:44,780
later with a quote from one of the

1123
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:47,090
scientists from an observatory saying

1124
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:49,370
we're still completely perplexed by this

1125
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:51,150
we have no idea what they are

1126
00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:54,990
mm you had conflicting media reports and

1127
00:49:01,640 --> 00:48:58,740
all of these official bodies looking

1128
00:49:03,590 --> 00:49:01,650
into these hundreds of UFO is along

1129
00:49:06,580 --> 00:49:03,600
India's Himalayan border with China

1130
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:06,590
during a two and a half month period and

1131
00:49:10,540 --> 00:49:09,780
the idea what these things were isn't

1132
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:10,550
that amazing

1133
00:49:16,460 --> 00:49:13,440
well that is that is something I was

1134
00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:16,470
never familiar with that let's say

1135
00:49:21,380 --> 00:49:19,020
someone wanted to know what is the style

1136
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:21,390
of your book is it testimonies from

1137
00:49:26,420 --> 00:49:23,400
people or is it case studies or

1138
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:26,430
something else entirely the book is laid

1139
00:49:32,810 --> 00:49:29,760
out in an interesting way again the

1140
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:32,820
purpose of this book is to provide as

1141
00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:34,980
the subtitle describes an introduction

1142
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:36,180
to the public's misperception of

1143
00:49:40,580 --> 00:49:37,710
unidentified aerial phenomena and

1144
00:49:43,070 --> 00:49:40,590
extraterrestrial life so it gives little

1145
00:49:45,140 --> 00:49:43,080
bits and pieces here and there starting

1146
00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:45,150
off with sort of the history of the

1147
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:48,780
modern UFO era and looking at you know

1148
00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:51,090
pointing out to you to people of the

1149
00:49:55,930 --> 00:49:53,220
general public who might not be familiar

1150
00:49:58,730 --> 00:49:55,940
with the fact that the government has

1151
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,740
governments around the world has and do

1152
00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:01,200
investigate UFOs

1153
00:50:06,980 --> 00:50:03,900
you know touching briefly on some of the

1154
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:06,990
big cases from the the beginning of the

1155
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:10,020
the modern UFO era talking about Kenneth

1156
00:50:12,380 --> 00:50:12,090
Arnold and and Roswell and things like

1157
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:12,390
that

1158
00:50:17,090 --> 00:50:14,970
so some other big cases in here too

1159
00:50:17,330 --> 00:50:17,100
touching on Rendlesham and things like

1160
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:17,340
that

1161
00:50:23,740 --> 00:50:20,370
looking at military UFO encounters so

1162
00:50:28,820 --> 00:50:23,750
really the book is segmented out talking

1163
00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:28,830
highlighting some more of a okay so I'll

1164
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:30,660
say it like this so it really spawned it

1165
00:50:36,260 --> 00:50:32,310
was you know my background in being a

1166
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:36,270
UFO journalist writing stories for so

1167
00:50:40,580 --> 00:50:38,520
many years about UFO sightings and

1168
00:50:44,090 --> 00:50:40,590
people who had had UFO sightings and

1169
00:50:45,620 --> 00:50:44,100
what what news typically is when you

1170
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:45,630
know celebrities or you know other

1171
00:50:51,310 --> 00:50:48,480
public public officials or public people

1172
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:51,320
people in the in the public spotlight

1173
00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:54,450
have some sort of UFO sighting or make a

1174
00:50:59,120 --> 00:50:56,700
comment about extraterrestrial life so

1175
00:51:02,330 --> 00:50:59,130
there's a lot of stories in here just

1176
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:02,340
kind of highlighting people whether

1177
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:04,110
they're celebrities

1178
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:09,210
musicians military personnel pilots you

1179
00:51:12,830 --> 00:51:10,890
know just a wide variety of people

1180
00:51:16,070 --> 00:51:12,840
pointing out that people all walks of

1181
00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:16,080
life either have have thoughts about

1182
00:51:20,090 --> 00:51:18,030
UFOs and extraterrestrial life or have

1183
00:51:23,330 --> 00:51:20,100
seen UFOs and/or extraterrestrial life

1184
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:23,340
it also has a good section at the end

1185
00:51:27,350 --> 00:51:25,710
talking about focusing on

1186
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,360
extraterrestrial life and about

1187
00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:28,800
mainstream science and the current

1188
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:31,800
efforts to search for extraterrestrial

1189
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:32,700
life and you know a lot about

1190
00:51:36,830 --> 00:51:34,890
astrobiology and things like that and

1191
00:51:39,110 --> 00:51:36,840
thoughts from mainstream scientists on

1192
00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:39,120
intelligent extraterrestrial life now

1193
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:41,070
what about the person that says to you

1194
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:45,420
Oh UFOs and extraterrestrial is or

1195
00:51:49,580 --> 00:51:47,850
aliens as they have put it is all just

1196
00:51:52,550 --> 00:51:49,590
part of pop culture and that's that's

1197
00:51:54,550 --> 00:51:52,560
you know the only reason people have

1198
00:51:58,580 --> 00:51:54,560
interests and people are seeing them

1199
00:52:01,700 --> 00:51:58,590
well I certainly think and know that

1200
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:01,710
UFOs are a huge part of pop culture but

1201
00:52:06,620 --> 00:52:05,040
we know that you know unidentified

1202
00:52:09,740 --> 00:52:06,630
aerial phenomena been reported since the

1203
00:52:12,050 --> 00:52:09,750
beginning of documented history the

1204
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:12,060
military certainly takes UFO seriously

1205
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:15,420
we know that objects are in the sky

1206
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:18,450
every day all around the world objects

1207
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:22,170
that you know UFOs does not mean alien

1208
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:24,090
spacecraft it certainly could be that's

1209
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,180
a possibility we can't discount that but

1210
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:29,520
there are objects and this should this

1211
00:52:35,780 --> 00:52:33,210
should really concern people and make

1212
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,790
scientists take great interest in the

1213
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:38,400
fact that we do know that we have

1214
00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:42,030
objects flying around in our airspace

1215
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:45,510
and we don't know what they are of all

1216
00:52:50,990 --> 00:52:48,030
that's absolutely incredible so now we

1217
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:51,000
know that and that's funny that that's a

1218
00:52:54,290 --> 00:52:52,380
hurdle we still have to get over even

1219
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:54,300
talking about whether or not UFOs exist

1220
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,370
we know UFOs exist but that's still a

1221
00:53:00,920 --> 00:52:59,040
question that you know the mainstream

1222
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:00,930
public has that that's that's the

1223
00:53:05,780 --> 00:53:03,450
perception that we don't know what UFOs

1224
00:53:08,180 --> 00:53:05,790
exist or not we do know that UFOs exist

1225
00:53:09,620 --> 00:53:08,190
if there's you know by people from all

1226
00:53:14,060 --> 00:53:09,630
walks of life all around the world every

1227
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:14,070
day so the real real question is is what

1228
00:53:17,550 --> 00:53:16,530
are they so that's that's the fun and

1229
00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:17,560
you know really

1230
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:19,750
the reason that I stay interested in

1231
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:21,730
this field is just the the unknown of it

1232
00:53:25,590 --> 00:53:23,290
all and trying to from trying to find

1233
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:25,600
those answers but with extraterrestrial

1234
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:28,690
life sure you know you have lots of

1235
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:32,370
people who do claim that they personally

1236
00:53:36,210 --> 00:53:34,740
experienced or encountered

1237
00:53:39,330 --> 00:53:36,220
extraterrestrials intelligent

1238
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:39,340
extraterrestrial life and that's great

1239
00:53:44,220 --> 00:53:40,810
you know some of them are really good

1240
00:53:45,870 --> 00:53:44,230
stories really fascinating and some some

1241
00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:45,880
quite compelling

1242
00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:48,580
but again it comes down to belief

1243
00:53:53,730 --> 00:53:51,190
because we don't have a real documented

1244
00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:53,740
or conclusive proof that's going to

1245
00:53:59,150 --> 00:53:55,540
convince anybody or change anybody's

1246
00:54:01,140 --> 00:53:59,160
mind conclusively so it comes down to

1247
00:54:02,730 --> 00:54:01,150
what you want to believe you want to

1248
00:54:05,730 --> 00:54:02,740
believe certain certain evidence or

1249
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:05,740
certain testimony so there's a lot of

1250
00:54:10,070 --> 00:54:07,930
that but as far as mainstream science

1251
00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:10,080
goes and where we are with

1252
00:54:13,770 --> 00:54:11,950
extraterrestrial life just you know

1253
00:54:16,550 --> 00:54:13,780
talking on a microbial level which is

1254
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:16,560
what's you know a lot of the focus is on

1255
00:54:23,070 --> 00:54:20,530
most people involved in some way or form

1256
00:54:24,810 --> 00:54:23,080
with that that study will tell you that

1257
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:24,820
that that discovery is right around the

1258
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:26,800
corner and Martin you and I have talked

1259
00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:28,090
about this and you know I've certainly

1260
00:54:32,820 --> 00:54:30,580
gone on record saying that I think even

1261
00:54:34,290 --> 00:54:32,830
as soon as five years we'll get some

1262
00:54:36,030 --> 00:54:34,300
sort of confirmation from mainstream

1263
00:54:38,310 --> 00:54:36,040
science that some sort of

1264
00:54:40,770 --> 00:54:38,320
extraterrestrial life has been found but

1265
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:40,780
there are so any missions underway right

1266
00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:42,910
now either on the drawing boards we're

1267
00:54:47,070 --> 00:54:45,070
already being realized that are actively

1268
00:54:49,620 --> 00:54:47,080
searching for extraterrestrial life and

1269
00:54:52,050 --> 00:54:49,630
there are mainstream scientists you know

1270
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,060
being funded by mainstream mainstream

1271
00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:54,640
funding with the specific purpose of

1272
00:54:57,870 --> 00:54:55,990
searching for intelligent

1273
00:55:00,960 --> 00:54:57,880
extraterrestrial life so that stuff is

1274
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:00,970
happening in mainstream science but I

1275
00:55:06,420 --> 00:55:02,890
think a lot of people in the mainstream

1276
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:06,430
and even within the UFO community you

1277
00:55:11,580 --> 00:55:10,210
don't realize that so right well now one

1278
00:55:13,020 --> 00:55:11,590
of the questions that's come to mind

1279
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,030
I've asked a few different people that

1280
00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:15,760
I've had on the show this let's just say

1281
00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:19,480
that there are just going to throw rough

1282
00:55:30,030 --> 00:55:27,270
intelligent extraterrestrial life out

1283
00:55:31,380 --> 00:55:30,040
there in the universe and a lot of them

1284
00:55:35,070 --> 00:55:31,390
have figured out

1285
00:55:37,890 --> 00:55:35,080
the physics to get here why would they

1286
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:37,900
get here why would they come visit us

1287
00:55:43,740 --> 00:55:41,050
why are we special why would we be so

1288
00:55:45,210 --> 00:55:43,750
special if there are billions of planets

1289
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,220
out there with intelligent

1290
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:48,400
extraterrestrial life I'm going back to

1291
00:55:53,340 --> 00:55:49,710
something that you and I talked about

1292
00:55:55,890 --> 00:55:53,350
you know we in talking about intelligent

1293
00:55:57,810 --> 00:55:55,900
extraterrestrial life we we like to

1294
00:56:00,840 --> 00:55:57,820
personify excess rest real life we like

1295
00:56:02,670 --> 00:56:00,850
to think you know in human terms and us

1296
00:56:03,690 --> 00:56:02,680
and that's how astrobiologist view

1297
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:03,700
actually trust your life you know

1298
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:05,890
they're looking for for life as we know

1299
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:07,660
it because that's kind of what we have

1300
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,370
to go on we don't know anything else and

1301
00:56:13,740 --> 00:56:11,920
it's hard for us to fathom you know just

1302
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:13,750
kind of throw things out make guesses at

1303
00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:16,450
what other life might be like so we're

1304
00:56:20,420 --> 00:56:18,070
basing things off of life here on earth

1305
00:56:23,340 --> 00:56:20,430
we're talking about intelligent

1306
00:56:26,010 --> 00:56:23,350
extraterrestrials we're making thinking

1307
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:26,020
of them as as we would humans you know

1308
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:28,090
at human personalities and you know

1309
00:56:32,730 --> 00:56:31,090
different human minds so you know that's

1310
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:32,740
where where Stephen Hawking likes to

1311
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:35,410
throw in his you know and that's the

1312
00:56:40,350 --> 00:56:38,290
exact analogy he uses you know looking

1313
00:56:42,690 --> 00:56:40,360
back at human history and you know how

1314
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:42,700
more hungry we are and how we like to

1315
00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:45,010
take people and push them off their land

1316
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:48,790
and use their resources so yeah looking

1317
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:52,210
at it you know and perhaps that's vanity

1318
00:56:56,940 --> 00:56:53,680
I don't know if we want to think that

1319
00:56:58,650 --> 00:56:56,950
aliens are like or if aliens are here

1320
00:57:02,040 --> 00:56:58,660
they're here because of us because we're

1321
00:57:04,290 --> 00:57:02,050
special I don't necessarily a

1322
00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:04,300
possibility but it's a it's just a guess

1323
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:06,430
you know we were guessing that if

1324
00:57:10,170 --> 00:57:07,810
they're if they're here they're here

1325
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:10,180
because we're special or there's

1326
00:57:14,220 --> 00:57:12,250
something interesting about us and that

1327
00:57:16,530 --> 00:57:14,230
may not be the case you know it could be

1328
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,540
that you know as Hawking and others feel

1329
00:57:20,340 --> 00:57:18,400
that you know they're interested in our

1330
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,350
resources so whatever their their

1331
00:57:24,450 --> 00:57:22,480
sensors or their technology concluded

1332
00:57:26,670 --> 00:57:24,460
that you know the resources we have here

1333
00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:26,680
on our planet would be a value to them

1334
00:57:32,490 --> 00:57:31,030
but you know it could be like us going

1335
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:32,500
on a road trip driving down the freeway

1336
00:57:36,030 --> 00:57:34,810
just because we drive by a certain gas

1337
00:57:38,190 --> 00:57:36,040
station or through a certain town

1338
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,200
doesn't mean that that town is special

1339
00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:40,480
or you know we thought that town were

1340
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:42,220
particularly interesting so we decided

1341
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:44,170
to drive through it it just happened to

1342
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:45,119
be there when we were

1343
00:57:52,579 --> 00:57:48,690
going by well very good analogy to that

1344
00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:52,589
I yeah I have wondered you know that is

1345
00:57:57,049 --> 00:57:54,900
the question I've another question I

1346
00:58:00,739 --> 00:57:57,059
should say and why they would think

1347
00:58:02,660 --> 00:58:00,749
we're so special is is baffling but I

1348
00:58:06,349 --> 00:58:02,670
never thought of the resources that

1349
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,359
could be again you know what also think

1350
00:58:12,289 --> 00:58:08,640
about this I mean if if space travel is

1351
00:58:15,019 --> 00:58:12,299
so easy you know for some some beings

1352
00:58:17,420 --> 00:58:15,029
out there some civilizations you don't

1353
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:17,430
think about it like TV - you know we're

1354
00:58:21,140 --> 00:58:18,720
watching TV and flipping through the

1355
00:58:22,579 --> 00:58:21,150
channels and stop on a channel you know

1356
00:58:23,809 --> 00:58:22,589
it's because we saw something that

1357
00:58:25,789 --> 00:58:23,819
looked interesting we might not

1358
00:58:27,289 --> 00:58:25,799
necessarily have intended to watch that

1359
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:27,299
show and we might not stay watching that

1360
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:29,970
show but hey we saw it we'll check it

1361
00:58:35,779 --> 00:58:32,400
out for a little bit mm-hmm very good

1362
00:58:38,660 --> 00:58:35,789
Tom DeLonge we said we were going to

1363
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:38,670
talk about him now you worked with him I

1364
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,559
know you went out first you and Maureen

1365
00:58:44,989 --> 00:58:42,960
went out and actually interviewed him a

1366
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,999
number of years ago and then you got to

1367
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:46,559
know him and stayed in touch with him

1368
00:58:50,749 --> 00:58:48,450
and then worked for him for awhile he's

1369
00:58:55,940 --> 00:58:50,759
been in the news a lot or the UFO news

1370
00:58:57,620 --> 00:58:55,950
at least a lot lately and I know you and

1371
00:59:00,499 --> 00:58:57,630
I spoke about this the other night on

1372
00:59:02,299 --> 00:59:00,509
the show and one of the things I

1373
00:59:05,210 --> 00:59:02,309
mentioned to you and I thought you had a

1374
00:59:08,509 --> 00:59:05,220
really good point was up I thought that

1375
00:59:12,339 --> 00:59:08,519
he'd be like the perfect person to send

1376
00:59:15,609 --> 00:59:12,349
along misinformation - and you said

1377
00:59:18,229 --> 00:59:15,619
basically that you he was aware of that

1378
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:18,239
yeah absolutely and you know that's

1379
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:20,700
certainly the the thought that I think

1380
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:24,089
crossed most people's mind when when we

1381
00:59:28,970 --> 00:59:26,910
all heard about it but yeah I mean Tom

1382
00:59:30,349 --> 00:59:28,980
from from the very start I think was hit

1383
00:59:32,420 --> 00:59:30,359
with that question and I think George

1384
00:59:34,910 --> 00:59:32,430
Knapp might have been the one to pose it

1385
00:59:38,539 --> 00:59:34,920
to him the first time in a public

1386
00:59:42,289 --> 00:59:38,549
interview but yeah Tom said that he he

1387
00:59:43,729 --> 00:59:42,299
is convinced that he's not being fed

1388
00:59:46,579 --> 00:59:43,739
information or are used for

1389
00:59:49,069 --> 00:59:46,589
disinformation because and this is his

1390
00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:49,079
explanation and and why he personally

1391
00:59:55,130 --> 00:59:52,859
feels this way is that these advisors of

1392
00:59:57,550 --> 00:59:55,140
his these military and government and

1393
01:00:00,800 --> 00:59:57,560
other important

1394
01:00:01,970 --> 01:00:00,810
individuals are not giving him

1395
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:01,980
information

1396
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:07,010
they are simply basically responding or

1397
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:10,170
confirming things that he's presenting

1398
01:00:15,950 --> 01:00:13,410
to them things that he's you know come

1399
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:15,960
up with based on his decades of research

1400
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:19,890
tom is you know surprises people that in

1401
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:22,170
my opinion tom is one of the most

1402
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:25,140
well-read people when it comes to UFOs

1403
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:27,570
he's been you know actively researching

1404
01:00:36,290 --> 01:00:32,970
UFOs you know for decades and you know

1405
01:00:39,530 --> 01:00:36,300
was quite well read and goes pretty deep

1406
01:00:44,090 --> 01:00:39,540
on the subject so he's not a newcomer to

1407
01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:44,100
UFOs at all and being who he is you know

1408
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:46,500
as a rock star and public figure he

1409
01:00:51,830 --> 01:00:48,450
certainly capitalized on that over the

1410
01:00:53,300 --> 01:00:51,840
years and arranged you know personal

1411
01:00:56,570 --> 01:00:53,310
meetings with a lot of the leading

1412
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:56,580
researchers in the field today so you

1413
01:01:02,390 --> 01:00:59,520
know his activity in the UFO research

1414
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:02,400
world is nothing new and he's aware

1415
01:01:08,270 --> 01:01:05,370
certainly of you know disinformation

1416
01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:08,280
campaigns and and the all the the

1417
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:12,060
negative bad guy you know reputation the

1418
01:01:19,220 --> 01:01:14,310
the military has surrounding this topic

1419
01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:19,230
he is 100% convinced that you know he's

1420
01:01:23,870 --> 01:01:22,020
been given good information or confirmed

1421
01:01:25,820 --> 01:01:23,880
the information that's being confirmed

1422
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:25,830
is good he trusts the people that he's

1423
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:29,010
working with and people think that Tom's

1424
01:01:35,420 --> 01:01:31,530
deceptive or that you know he's doing

1425
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,430
what he's doing for money I disagree

1426
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:37,680
with all of that 100% I will just say

1427
01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:39,690
that this is just my personal opinion

1428
01:01:45,290 --> 01:01:42,180
based on my personal relationship and

1429
01:01:48,380 --> 01:01:45,300
experience with Tom I genuinely believe

1430
01:01:52,850 --> 01:01:48,390
that what he is doing is something that

1431
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:52,860
he firmly believes is good for the field

1432
01:02:00,830 --> 01:01:57,450
of view of UFOs he genuinely has a

1433
01:02:02,810 --> 01:02:00,840
passion for this and you know it's it's

1434
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:02,820
what he wants to do with his life I mean

1435
01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:07,200
he he left a lucrative music career to

1436
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:10,110
focus on this type of stuff and other

1437
01:02:12,380 --> 01:02:10,410
things

1438
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:12,390
that he wants to do he's doing this out

1439
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:15,839
of love and if he wanted money he could

1440
01:02:20,359 --> 01:02:18,119
certainly quickly turn around rejoin

1441
01:02:22,910 --> 01:02:20,369
think 182 and and going to her and

1442
01:02:25,460 --> 01:02:22,920
that's certainly not not off the table

1443
01:02:27,859 --> 01:02:25,470
at this point but I will say what he's

1444
01:02:30,020 --> 01:02:27,869
doing and the work at to the Stars I

1445
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:30,030
think is is really good really exciting

1446
01:02:33,230 --> 01:02:31,410
he's doing a lot of fun stuff that he's

1447
01:02:35,450 --> 01:02:33,240
always wanted to do that ranges from all

1448
01:02:37,970 --> 01:02:35,460
sorts of things from comic books and

1449
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:37,980
novels and movies and TV shows and music

1450
01:02:44,059 --> 01:02:41,490
so he's doing the things he loves and he

1451
01:02:45,710 --> 01:02:44,069
has the means to do it so I think he's

1452
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:45,720
doing something good I think what he's

1453
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:47,730
doing with his property secret machines

1454
01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:50,910
is definitely something to to watch and

1455
01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:52,740
I just encourage people I mean again I

1456
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:54,510
don't know if the information that's

1457
01:02:58,849 --> 01:02:57,450
gonna come from this project is any good

1458
01:03:00,349 --> 01:02:58,859
or not I don't think if it's any I don't

1459
01:03:01,609 --> 01:03:00,359
I don't know if it's anything new I

1460
01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:01,619
don't know if it will be

1461
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:05,430
earth-shattering we don't know I don't

1462
01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:07,530
know you don't know but there's been so

1463
01:03:11,660 --> 01:03:08,910
much speculation around this whole

1464
01:03:14,930 --> 01:03:11,670
property and you know really crucifying

1465
01:03:16,910 --> 01:03:14,940
Tom before you know knowing much about

1466
01:03:18,589 --> 01:03:16,920
this project aside from what tom says

1467
01:03:20,569 --> 01:03:18,599
and he's been very open about the

1468
01:03:22,220 --> 01:03:20,579
project and you know some of the people

1469
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:22,230
he's worked with I mean working with

1470
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:25,049
Podesta he made public a long time ago

1471
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:30,329
two years ago but you know when the when

1472
01:03:33,799 --> 01:03:32,010
the when the non-fiction books come out

1473
01:03:35,839 --> 01:03:33,809
which the first in the nonfiction

1474
01:03:37,789 --> 01:03:35,849
trilogy will come out in March written

1475
01:03:40,490 --> 01:03:37,799
by Peter LaVonda co-written with Peter

1476
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:40,500
Levin de with a foreword by Jacques de

1477
01:03:45,980 --> 01:03:44,609
la you know then we'll see what this

1478
01:03:47,269 --> 01:03:45,990
information is when the documentary

1479
01:03:50,180 --> 01:03:47,279
comes out and that's what I'm most

1480
01:03:53,809 --> 01:03:50,190
excited to see this document yeah it

1481
01:03:55,789 --> 01:03:53,819
should be you know then we'll see what

1482
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:55,799
this information is and what he's been

1483
01:04:02,450 --> 01:03:58,799
been you know pushing out and talking

1484
01:04:04,339 --> 01:04:02,460
about for for the last year but you know

1485
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:04,349
we're in this this you know we talked

1486
01:04:07,940 --> 01:04:05,760
about a short attention span but also

1487
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:07,950
short patience we're in this this era of

1488
01:04:12,140 --> 01:04:09,930
like wanting everything right now we

1489
01:04:13,789 --> 01:04:12,150
don't have patience to wait we want all

1490
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,799
the spoilers we want and want to read

1491
01:04:17,569 --> 01:04:15,599
the articles and hear about you know

1492
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:17,579
things they're going to show us the the

1493
01:04:23,660 --> 01:04:20,910
latest stolen images of the new iPhone

1494
01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:23,670
or the the newest trailer

1495
01:04:27,650 --> 01:04:25,710
starwars you know things like that we

1496
01:04:29,870 --> 01:04:27,660
just can't wait till it actually comes

1497
01:04:31,579 --> 01:04:29,880
out to see what what it really is we

1498
01:04:33,770 --> 01:04:31,589
want to know all the little details now

1499
01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:33,780
now now all right all right have you

1500
01:04:38,690 --> 01:04:35,460
communicated with them since the

1501
01:04:40,670 --> 01:04:38,700
WikiLeaks emails no now WikiLeaks caused

1502
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:40,680
all sorts of problems and yeah

1503
01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:42,000
communications kind of been cut off

1504
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:44,700
since then but no I mean from what I

1505
01:04:48,289 --> 01:04:47,010
heard there there it they definitely had

1506
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,299
to do some damage control because of

1507
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:50,880
that it compromised a lot of you know

1508
01:04:55,010 --> 01:04:52,799
the the sources that they had you know

1509
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:55,020
worked so hard to develop and promised

1510
01:04:59,480 --> 01:04:56,880
anonymity to these people you know some

1511
01:05:02,210 --> 01:04:59,490
of that was was damaged because of

1512
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:02,220
WikiLeaks so they had to do some some

1513
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:04,530
serious damage control with that but

1514
01:05:08,809 --> 01:05:06,839
they seem to be back on track and things

1515
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:08,819
are going well and you know we'll get to

1516
01:05:11,690 --> 01:05:10,650
see the the first of these non-fiction

1517
01:05:15,319 --> 01:05:11,700
books coming out

1518
01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:15,329
Peter LaVonda is a great guy very very

1519
01:05:20,660 --> 01:05:18,809
great researcher you know and they've

1520
01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:20,670
been working on this and the research

1521
01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:23,030
they've done for four years now together

1522
01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:27,089
and you know Peters a fan of rock ballet

1523
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:28,950
like so many of us are and and I know

1524
01:05:33,380 --> 01:05:31,920
Tom is so the fact that he contributed

1525
01:05:36,109 --> 01:05:33,390
the forward to that book I think says a

1526
01:05:38,299 --> 01:05:36,119
lot about it and I'm just excited to

1527
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:38,309
read it now you mentioned earlier that

1528
01:05:43,849 --> 01:05:40,880
you in you and I agree on this that

1529
01:05:45,950 --> 01:05:43,859
within a short period of time I think it

1530
01:05:47,870 --> 01:05:45,960
will be public knowledge that there will

1531
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:47,880
be a discovery discovery of

1532
01:05:50,990 --> 01:05:49,290
extraterrestrial life whether it's

1533
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,000
intelligent or not I have no idea but

1534
01:05:56,089 --> 01:05:53,280
the last question I'm going to ask you

1535
01:05:57,710 --> 01:05:56,099
on the form years do you think at least

1536
01:06:00,890 --> 01:05:57,720
some kind of partial disclosure

1537
01:06:05,470 --> 01:06:00,900
disclosure when having a hard time here

1538
01:06:08,210 --> 01:06:05,480
partial disclosure is coming you know I

1539
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:08,220
people like to in this field like to

1540
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:11,760
latch on to to certain buzz words you

1541
01:06:16,010 --> 01:06:14,250
know and I don't know for one reason or

1542
01:06:18,170 --> 01:06:16,020
another they always rub me the wrong way

1543
01:06:19,940 --> 01:06:18,180
cuz I think they they over complicate

1544
01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:19,950
things you know disclosure is one

1545
01:06:25,940 --> 01:06:23,640
consciousness is another you know when

1546
01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:25,950
when really what people are typically

1547
01:06:31,549 --> 01:06:27,660
talking about when they use those words

1548
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:31,559
is something that's very very basic and

1549
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,690
with disclosure you know I've said this

1550
01:06:40,070 --> 01:06:36,960
you know

1551
01:06:42,829 --> 01:06:40,080
I started in the UFO field and I had the

1552
01:06:44,690 --> 01:06:42,839
same mindset now there I don't ever

1553
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:44,700
think there will be some grand

1554
01:06:48,530 --> 01:06:46,650
disclosure like some people think there

1555
01:06:51,140 --> 01:06:48,540
will be like a president coming forward

1556
01:06:53,630 --> 01:06:51,150
and saying surprise we lied all these

1557
01:06:56,810 --> 01:06:53,640
years we've known everything here's what

1558
01:06:59,870 --> 01:06:56,820
we know here you go guys we're finally

1559
01:07:01,400 --> 01:06:59,880
finally stopping our lives that'll never

1560
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:01,410
happen you know there's never going to

1561
01:07:07,310 --> 01:07:04,609
be an admittance of prior knowledge or

1562
01:07:09,859 --> 01:07:07,320
intentional deception that won't happen

1563
01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:09,869
I think when something's discovered you

1564
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,160
know that will be announced whether

1565
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:13,680
through its a NASA press conference or

1566
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:17,760
something like that you know and then it

1567
01:07:22,010 --> 01:07:19,410
is what it is you know what there's

1568
01:07:23,450 --> 01:07:22,020
something that to do from then on out if

1569
01:07:27,230 --> 01:07:23,460
there's you know additional missions

1570
01:07:28,820 --> 01:07:27,240
launched or further investigation to do

1571
01:07:33,410 --> 01:07:28,830
then it'll happen but I don't think it's

1572
01:07:36,380 --> 01:07:33,420
going to be some big like big hullabaloo

1573
01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:36,390
or something earth-shattering I mean it

1574
01:07:39,380 --> 01:07:38,460
is pretty earth-shattering but I you

1575
01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:39,390
know I don't think it's going to be this

1576
01:07:44,030 --> 01:07:41,849
grand government thing where it they

1577
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:44,040
come forward and say alright we've

1578
01:07:49,339 --> 01:07:47,280
discovered it and PS yeah let's take you

1579
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:49,349
live to area 51 now and show you what

1580
01:07:54,859 --> 01:07:51,930
we've been working on you and I agree on

1581
01:07:58,099 --> 01:07:54,869
a lot of things I have to tell you okay

1582
01:08:02,120 --> 01:07:58,109
so your show is called UFO mod pod and

1583
01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:02,130
that's bi-weekly and yeah and it's with

1584
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,910
you Maureen and Ryan correct and someone

1585
01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:07,440
can find that how do they find that is

1586
01:08:14,690 --> 01:08:10,310
that at that actually a URL as well

1587
01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:14,700
easiest way to do that is iTunes but you

1588
01:08:19,519 --> 01:08:17,640
know it's also on various other podcast

1589
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:19,529
locations but our website is rogue

1590
01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:23,130
planet dot TV and you can find UFO mod

1591
01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:24,540
pod there as well as some of our other

1592
01:08:28,910 --> 01:08:26,310
shows and other content that we're

1593
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,920
working on great well Jason it's been a

1594
01:08:33,140 --> 01:08:30,719
real pleasure and I you're a real

1595
01:08:34,670 --> 01:08:33,150
trouper to come back and after we

1596
01:08:36,740 --> 01:08:34,680
already did the two-hour show I really

1597
01:08:39,769 --> 01:08:36,750
do appreciate it well it's my pleasure

1598
01:08:42,829 --> 01:08:39,779
thank you for having me back and doing

1599
01:08:44,570 --> 01:08:42,839
this again with me you know we did have

1600
01:08:46,610 --> 01:08:44,580
so much fun in that two hours and then

1601
01:08:49,249 --> 01:08:46,620
I'm sad that it's gone forever but so

1602
01:08:50,010 --> 01:08:49,259
yeah that's right we created new magic

1603
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:50,020
today and that's

1604
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,930
great yes that's right and a lot of you

1605
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:54,400
out they are celebrating Christmas and

1606
01:08:58,410 --> 01:08:55,839
just a couple of days so I wanted to say

1607
01:09:00,180 --> 01:08:58,420
Merry Christmas to you and I know I was

1608
01:09:03,090 --> 01:09:00,190
in Russia this year in Russia celebrates

1609
01:09:06,660 --> 01:09:03,100
on January 6 not everyone celebrates it

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on on December 25th and of course not

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everyone celebrates Christmas but to

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those who do Merry Christmas and Merry

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Christmas to you as well Jason thank you

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sir same to you all right so everyone

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we'll be back next week with ray

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Stanford and Ray has been on the show a

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number of times he is going to be

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talking about different topics he's real

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excited he's got a lot to say and he'll

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be on next week and I want to thank

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Jason of course our guest and Alejandro

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Rojas and the other people that helped

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out with the show Peggy for managing the

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